On 09/11/20 12:07, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> Hi Davide,
>
> great, I slightly edited the text to change the original GARR
> perspective to FIM4L one.
Thanks!
>
> I'd suggest to address the letter to following Clarivate representatives:
> josef.jilek@clarivate.com <mailto:josef.jilek@clarivate.com>
> eniko.szasz@clarivate.com <mailto:eniko.szasz@clarivate.com>
> heidi.muller@clarivate.com <mailto:heidi.muller@clarivate.com>
It works for me. I suggest to give some time for the people in the list
to comment on the letter and then I'd sent it by noon Tomorrow if that's
ok for you.
Cheers,
Davide
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Jiri
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>> wrote:
>
> Hello Jiri,
>
> On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > Hi Davide,
> >
> > I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive
> document [1]
> > and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a copy to
> > FIM4L
> > documents [2]. Sounds good?
> >
>
> Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few weeks
> ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.
>
> Cheers,
> Davide
>
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jiri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti
> <davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jiri,
> >
> > thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and
> I'll be
> > happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
> >
> > I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would
> be great
> > if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the
> fim4l website,
> > so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further
> communications
> > with Clarivate.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Davide
> >
> > On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations for
> > Clarivate
> > > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit
> > >
> > > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few
> days
> > with Cc
> > > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Jiri
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz
> <peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jiri,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
> > >> Hi Peter,
> > >>
> > >> we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and Peter
> > >> Schober and
> > >> agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding bad
> > >> federated authentication
> > >> implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could
> suggest to
> > >> Clarivate:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >> All the best
> > >>
> > >> Jiri
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
> > <peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> > >> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> welcome here Davide, your presence here is much
> appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see a
> > value in
> > >> collecting data ...
> > >>
> > >> May be we should think about a page on our website
> with a
> > list of
> > >> "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
> > >> recommendations". This
> > >> could be an insentive for publishers to not go the
> way we
> > >> observed here.
> > >> Just an idea....
> > >>
> > >> What else could we do to convince publishers to be
> > conformant?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
> > >> > Hello Davide,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for joining and for your email.
> > >> >
> > >> > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I
> guess.
> > >> We're almost ready to publish the final version of
> FIM4L
> > >> Principles & Recommendations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to
> a common
> > >> accepted document which describes how we
> (libraries) want to
> > >> establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you
> can find
> > >> this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
> > >> >
> > >> > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this
> list,
> > >> probably by the end of this week, with a new
> graphical update
> > >> of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
> > >> >
> > >> > When all things ready, the official published
> document will
> > >> be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may
> be of
> > great
> > >> value for you to refer too by speaking with publishers.
> > >> >
> > >> > All the best!
> > >> > Jos
> > >> >
> > >> > Jos Westerbeke
> > >> > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager | Erasmus
> University
> > >> Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library | 3062PA
> > >> Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>>
> > >> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>>>
> | +31 640295513
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide Vaghetti
> > >> <fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>>
> > >> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>>> namens
> > >> davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>
> > >> geschreven:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello Heather,
> > >> >
> > >> > On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
> > >> > > Hello and welcome, Davide!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question
> about what
> > >> Clarivate is doing,
> > >> > > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of
> other
> > >> similar patterns, or
> > >> > > if this is just an FYI?
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that
> Clarivate's
> > >> behavior is the
> > >> > exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations,
> so I'd
> > like
> > >> the advice of
> > >> > this community in how to deal with this
> Publisher and
> > >> possibly doing it
> > >> > not alone.
> > >> >
> > >> > As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's additional
> > >> registration flow is
> > >> > breaking federated access and probably some
> contracts
> > >> and privacy law as
> > >> > well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the
> legalities at
> > >> least until it
> > >> > strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM,
> as other
> > >> identity
> > >> > federations, are not direct parties in this
> type of
> > >> contracts.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Davide
> > >> >
> > >> > > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to Human
> > >> > >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> > > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > > <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
> > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>, wrote:
> > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing
> list about
> > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > >> > >> additional registration flow, but some
> Colleagues
> > >> suggested that FIM4L
> > >> > >> would have been a better venue for the topic.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Regards,
> > >> > >> Davide
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > >> > >> Subject: InCites now requires users to
> supply email
> > >> address and create a
> > >> > >> new set of credentials
> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
> > >> > >> From: Davide Vaghetti
> <davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
> > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>
> > >> > >> To: fog@lists.refeds.org
> <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>
> > <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>>
> <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>
> > <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us
> about
> > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > >> > >> requiring an additional users registration
> after the
> > >> Institutional
> > >> > >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
> > >> introduced in sciencedirect,
> > >> > >> but then rolled back, last year:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> - it starts on
> > >>
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincites.clarivate.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=9hMtWuW25Dw6Yjjs3F3oGq48q6rJvx%2FDpsbx63FYPrg%3D&reserved=0
> > >> > >> - a user select "Sign in" and then
> "Institutional
> > >> (Shibboleth) Sign In"
> > >> > >> - once the authN flow is finished, the user is
> > >> requested to register an
> > >> > >> email address and then to set a password
> to access
> > >> InCites
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has
> not been
> > >> anticipated in any
> > >> > >> way from Clarivate, which so far was letting
> > users in
> > >> with just a
> > >> > >> transient nameid and ePSA.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Regards,
> > >> > >> Davide
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > >> Consortium GARR
> > >> > >> Tel: +390502213158
> > >> > >> Mobile: +393357779542
> > >> > >> Skype: daserzw
> > >> > >>
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > >> FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > >> FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > Consortium GARR
> > >> > Tel: +390502213158
> > >> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > >> > Skype: daserzw
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.daasi.de%2Flistinfo%2Ffim4l&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=Pk1uf0zSFCUACtQ8k%2BtHGq0Upv%2F5SQhN9%2BgdP%2F5xfwM%3D&reserved=0
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>>
> > >> > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Peter Gietz, CEO
> > >>
> > >> DAASI International GmbH
> > >> Europaplatz 3
> > >> D-72072 Tübingen
> > >> Germany
> > >>
> > >> phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > >> fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > >> email: peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>
> > >> web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de>
> <http://www.daasi.de>
> > <http://www.daasi.de>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>>
> > >> http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > >>
> > > --
> > >
> > > Peter Gietz, CEO
> > >
> > > DAASI International GmbH
> > > Europaplatz 3
> > > D-72072 Tübingen
> > > Germany
> > >
> > > phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > > fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > > email: peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>
> > > web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de>
> <http://www.daasi.de> <http://www.daasi.de>
> > >
> > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> > > Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
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> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > Davide Vaghetti
> > Consortium GARR
> > Tel: +390502213158
> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > Skype: daserzw
> >
>
> --
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Tel: +390502213158
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
>
--
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Consortium GARR
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Mobile: +393357779542
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