Hello Jiri,
On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> Hi Davide,
>
> I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive document [1]
> and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a copy to
> FIM4L
> documents [2]. Sounds good?
>
Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few weeks
ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.
Cheers,
Davide
> Cheers
>
> Jiri
>
>
>
> 1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>> wrote:
>
> Hello Jiri,
>
> thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and I'll be
> happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
>
> I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would be great
> if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the fim4l website,
> so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further communications
> with Clarivate.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers,
> Davide
>
> On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations for
> Clarivate
> > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit
> >
> > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few days
> with Cc
> > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Jiri
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz <peter.gietz@daasi.de
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jiri,
> >
> > Thanks for the update.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and Peter
> >> Schober and
> >> agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding bad
> >> federated authentication
> >> implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could suggest to
> >> Clarivate:
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >> Jiri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
> <peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> >> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> welcome here Davide, your presence here is much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see a
> value in
> >> collecting data ...
> >>
> >> May be we should think about a page on our website with a
> list of
> >> "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
> >> recommendations". This
> >> could be an insentive for publishers to not go the way we
> >> observed here.
> >> Just an idea....
> >>
> >> What else could we do to convince publishers to be
> conformant?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
> >> > Hello Davide,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for joining and for your email.
> >> >
> >> > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I guess.
> >> We're almost ready to publish the final version of FIM4L
> >> Principles & Recommendations.
> >> >
> >> > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to a common
> >> accepted document which describes how we (libraries) want to
> >> establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
> >> >
> >> > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you can find
> >> this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
> >> >
> >> > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this list,
> >> probably by the end of this week, with a new graphical update
> >> of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
> >> >
> >> > When all things ready, the official published document will
> >> be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may be of
> great
> >> value for you to refer too by speaking with publishers.
> >> >
> >> > All the best!
> >> > Jos
> >> >
> >> > Jos Westerbeke
> >> > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager | Erasmus University
> >> Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library | 3062PA
> >> Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>
> >> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
> <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>> | +31 640295513
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide Vaghetti
> >> <fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>
> >> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>> namens
> >> davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>
> >> geschreven:
> >> >
> >> > Hello Heather,
> >> >
> >> > On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
> >> > > Hello and welcome, Davide!
> >> > >
> >> > > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question about what
> >> Clarivate is doing,
> >> > > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of other
> >> similar patterns, or
> >> > > if this is just an FYI?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that Clarivate's
> >> behavior is the
> >> > exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations, so I'd
> like
> >> the advice of
> >> > this community in how to deal with this Publisher and
> >> possibly doing it
> >> > not alone.
> >> >
> >> > As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's additional
> >> registration flow is
> >> > breaking federated access and probably some contracts
> >> and privacy law as
> >> > well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the legalities at
> >> least until it
> >> > strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM, as other
> >> identity
> >> > federations, are not direct parties in this type of
> >> contracts.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Davide
> >> >
> >> > > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to Human
> >> > >
> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsphericalcowconsulting.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=ovaeYQk9zvqBzPynK7y2MDKI2X1ikf7Aoyxb2gvHWz0%3D&reserved=0
> >> > > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide Vaghetti
> >> > > <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>, wrote:
> >> > >> Hello everyone,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing list about
> >> Clarivate's InCites
> >> > >> additional registration flow, but some Colleagues
> >> suggested that FIM4L
> >> > >> would have been a better venue for the topic.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Davide
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >> > >> Subject: InCites now requires users to supply email
> >> address and create a
> >> > >> new set of credentials
> >> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
> >> > >> From: Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>
> >> > >> To: fog@lists.refeds.org
> <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org> <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org
> <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hello everyone,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us about
> >> Clarivate's InCites
> >> > >> requiring an additional users registration after the
> >> Institutional
> >> > >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
> >> introduced in sciencedirect,
> >> > >> but then rolled back, last year:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> - it starts on
> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincites.clarivate.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=9hMtWuW25Dw6Yjjs3F3oGq48q6rJvx%2FDpsbx63FYPrg%3D&reserved=0
> >> > >> - a user select "Sign in" and then "Institutional
> >> (Shibboleth) Sign In"
> >> > >> - once the authN flow is finished, the user is
> >> requested to register an
> >> > >> email address and then to set a password to access
> >> InCites
> >> > >>
> >> > >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has not been
> >> anticipated in any
> >> > >> way from Clarivate, which so far was letting
> users in
> >> with just a
> >> > >> transient nameid and ePSA.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Davide
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Davide Vaghetti
> >> > >> Consortium GARR
> >> > >> Tel: +390502213158
> >> > >> Mobile: +393357779542
> >> > >> Skype: daserzw
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> FIM4L mailing list
> >> > >> FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> >> > >>
> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.daasi.de%2Flistinfo%2Ffim4l&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=Pk1uf0zSFCUACtQ8k%2BtHGq0Upv%2F5SQhN9%2BgdP%2F5xfwM%3D&reserved=0
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Davide Vaghetti
> >> > Consortium GARR
> >> > Tel: +390502213158
> >> > Mobile: +393357779542
> >> > Skype: daserzw
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > FIM4L mailing list
> >> > FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> >> >
> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.daasi.de%2Flistinfo%2Ffim4l&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=Pk1uf0zSFCUACtQ8k%2BtHGq0Upv%2F5SQhN9%2BgdP%2F5xfwM%3D&reserved=0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > FIM4L mailing list
> >> > FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> >> > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Peter Gietz, CEO
> >>
> >> DAASI International GmbH
> >> Europaplatz 3
> >> D-72072 Tübingen
> >> Germany
> >>
> >> phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> >> fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> >> email: peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> >> web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de>
> <http://www.daasi.de>
> >>
> >> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> >> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
> >> Geschäftsleitung: Peter Gietz
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> FIM4L mailing list
> >> FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
> >> http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> >>
> > --
> >
> > Peter Gietz, CEO
> >
> > DAASI International GmbH
> > Europaplatz 3
> > D-72072 Tübingen
> > Germany
> >
> > phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > email: peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
> > web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de> <http://www.daasi.de>
> >
> > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
> > Geschäftsleitung: Peter Gietz
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > FIM4L mailing list
> > FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
> > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> >
>
> --
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Tel: +390502213158
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
>
--
Davide Vaghetti
Consortium GARR
Tel: +390502213158
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw