[Fim4l] Fwd: InCites now requires users to supply email address and create a new set of credentials
Jiri Pavlik
jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
Mon Nov 9 12:07:38 CET 2020
Hi Davide,
great, I slightly edited the text to change the original GARR perspective
to FIM4L one.
I'd suggest to address the letter to following Clarivate representatives:
josef.jilek at clarivate.com
eniko.szasz at clarivate.com
heidi.muller at clarivate.com
Cheers
Jiri
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
wrote:
> Hello Jiri,
>
> On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > Hi Davide,
> >
> > I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive document [1]
> > and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a copy to
> > FIM4L
> > documents [2]. Sounds good?
> >
>
> Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few weeks
> ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.
>
> Cheers,
> Davide
>
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jiri
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jiri,
> >
> > thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and I'll be
> > happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
> >
> > I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would be
> great
> > if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the fim4l
> website,
> > so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further communications
> > with Clarivate.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Davide
> >
> > On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations for
> > Clarivate
> > > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit
> > >
> > > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few days
> > with Cc
> > > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Jiri
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz <peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jiri,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
> > >> Hi Peter,
> > >>
> > >> we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and Peter
> > >> Schober and
> > >> agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding bad
> > >> federated authentication
> > >> implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could suggest to
> > >> Clarivate:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >> All the best
> > >>
> > >> Jiri
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
> > <peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > >> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> welcome here Davide, your presence here is much
> appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see a
> > value in
> > >> collecting data ...
> > >>
> > >> May be we should think about a page on our website with a
> > list of
> > >> "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
> > >> recommendations". This
> > >> could be an insentive for publishers to not go the way we
> > >> observed here.
> > >> Just an idea....
> > >>
> > >> What else could we do to convince publishers to be
> > conformant?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
> > >> > Hello Davide,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for joining and for your email.
> > >> >
> > >> > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I guess.
> > >> We're almost ready to publish the final version of FIM4L
> > >> Principles & Recommendations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to a
> common
> > >> accepted document which describes how we (libraries) want
> to
> > >> establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you can
> find
> > >> this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
> > >> >
> > >> > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this list,
> > >> probably by the end of this week, with a new graphical
> update
> > >> of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
> > >> >
> > >> > When all things ready, the official published document
> will
> > >> be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may be of
> > great
> > >> value for you to refer too by speaking with publishers.
> > >> >
> > >> > All the best!
> > >> > Jos
> > >> >
> > >> > Jos Westerbeke
> > >> > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager | Erasmus
> University
> > >> Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library | 3062PA
> > >> Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
> > >> <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>> | +31 640295513
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide Vaghetti
> > >> <fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>
> > >> <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>> namens
> > >> davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>
> > >> geschreven:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello Heather,
> > >> >
> > >> > On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
> > >> > > Hello and welcome, Davide!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question about
> what
> > >> Clarivate is doing,
> > >> > > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of other
> > >> similar patterns, or
> > >> > > if this is just an FYI?
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that Clarivate's
> > >> behavior is the
> > >> > exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations, so I'd
> > like
> > >> the advice of
> > >> > this community in how to deal with this Publisher
> and
> > >> possibly doing it
> > >> > not alone.
> > >> >
> > >> > As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's additional
> > >> registration flow is
> > >> > breaking federated access and probably some
> contracts
> > >> and privacy law as
> > >> > well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the
> legalities at
> > >> least until it
> > >> > strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM, as other
> > >> identity
> > >> > federations, are not direct parties in this type of
> > >> contracts.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Davide
> > >> >
> > >> > > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to Human
> > >> > >
> > >>
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsphericalcowconsulting.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=ovaeYQk9zvqBzPynK7y2MDKI2X1ikf7Aoyxb2gvHWz0%3D&reserved=0
> > >> > > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > > <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>, wrote:
> > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing list
> about
> > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > >> > >> additional registration flow, but some Colleagues
> > >> suggested that FIM4L
> > >> > >> would have been a better venue for the topic.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Regards,
> > >> > >> Davide
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > >> > >> Subject: InCites now requires users to supply
> email
> > >> address and create a
> > >> > >> new set of credentials
> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
> > >> > >> From: Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>
> > >> > >> To: fog at lists.refeds.org
> > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org> <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org
> > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us about
> > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > >> > >> requiring an additional users registration after
> the
> > >> Institutional
> > >> > >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
> > >> introduced in sciencedirect,
> > >> > >> but then rolled back, last year:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> - it starts on
> > >>
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincites.clarivate.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=9hMtWuW25Dw6Yjjs3F3oGq48q6rJvx%2FDpsbx63FYPrg%3D&reserved=0
> > >> > >> - a user select "Sign in" and then "Institutional
> > >> (Shibboleth) Sign In"
> > >> > >> - once the authN flow is finished, the user is
> > >> requested to register an
> > >> > >> email address and then to set a password to
> access
> > >> InCites
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has not
> been
> > >> anticipated in any
> > >> > >> way from Clarivate, which so far was letting
> > users in
> > >> with just a
> > >> > >> transient nameid and ePSA.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Regards,
> > >> > >> Davide
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > >> Consortium GARR
> > >> > >> Tel: +390502213158
> > >> > >> Mobile: +393357779542
> > >> > >> Skype: daserzw
> > >> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> > >> FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > >> FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.daasi.de%2Flistinfo%2Ffim4l&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=Pk1uf0zSFCUACtQ8k%2BtHGq0Upv%2F5SQhN9%2BgdP%2F5xfwM%3D&reserved=0
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Davide Vaghetti
> > >> > Consortium GARR
> > >> > Tel: +390502213158
> > >> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > >> > Skype: daserzw
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > FIM4L mailing list
> > >> > FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > >> > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Peter Gietz, CEO
> > >>
> > >> DAASI International GmbH
> > >> Europaplatz 3
> > >> D-72072 Tübingen
> > >> Germany
> > >>
> > >> phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > >> fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > >> email: peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > >> web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de>
> > <http://www.daasi.de>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > >> http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > >>
> > > --
> > >
> > > Peter Gietz, CEO
> > >
> > > DAASI International GmbH
> > > Europaplatz 3
> > > D-72072 Tübingen
> > > Germany
> > >
> > > phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > > fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > > email: peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > > web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de> <http://www.daasi.de
> >
> > >
> > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> > > Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
> > > Geschäftsleitung: Peter Gietz
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > FIM4L mailing list
> > > FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Davide Vaghetti
> > Consortium GARR
> > Tel: +390502213158
> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > Skype: daserzw
> >
>
> --
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Tel: +390502213158
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
>
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