[Fim4l] Fwd: InCites now requires users to supply email address and create a new set of credentials
Jiri Pavlik
jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
Mon Nov 9 12:42:37 CET 2020
Hi Davide,
perfect for me :-)
Cheers
Jiri
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
wrote:
> On 09/11/20 12:07, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > Hi Davide,
> >
> > great, I slightly edited the text to change the original GARR
> > perspective to FIM4L one.
>
> Thanks!
>
> >
> > I'd suggest to address the letter to following Clarivate representatives:
> > josef.jilek at clarivate.com <mailto:josef.jilek at clarivate.com>
> > eniko.szasz at clarivate.com <mailto:eniko.szasz at clarivate.com>
> > heidi.muller at clarivate.com <mailto:heidi.muller at clarivate.com>
>
> It works for me. I suggest to give some time for the people in the list
> to comment on the letter and then I'd sent it by noon Tomorrow if that's
> ok for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Davide
>
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jiri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jiri,
> >
> > On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > > Hi Davide,
> > >
> > > I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive
> > document [1]
> > > and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a
> copy to
> > > FIM4L
> > > documents [2]. Sounds good?
> > >
> >
> > Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few
> weeks
> > ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Davide
> >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jiri
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 1.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti
> > <davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Jiri,
> > >
> > > thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and
> > I'll be
> > > happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
> > >
> > > I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would
> > be great
> > > if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the
> > fim4l website,
> > > so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further
> > communications
> > > with Clarivate.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Davide
> > >
> > > On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations
> for
> > > Clarivate
> > > > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit
> > > >
> > > > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few
> > days
> > > with Cc
> > > > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > Jiri
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz
> > <peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > > > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jiri,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the update.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
> > > >> Hi Peter,
> > > >>
> > > >> we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and
> Peter
> > > >> Schober and
> > > >> agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding
> bad
> > > >> federated authentication
> > > >> implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could
> > suggest to
> > > >> Clarivate:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >>
> > > >> All the best
> > > >>
> > > >> Jiri
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
> > > <peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > > >> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> welcome here Davide, your presence here is much
> > appreciated.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see
> a
> > > value in
> > > >> collecting data ...
> > > >>
> > > >> May be we should think about a page on our website
> > with a
> > > list of
> > > >> "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
> > > >> recommendations". This
> > > >> could be an insentive for publishers to not go the
> > way we
> > > >> observed here.
> > > >> Just an idea....
> > > >>
> > > >> What else could we do to convince publishers to be
> > > conformant?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >>
> > > >> Peter
> > > >>
> > > >> Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
> > > >> > Hello Davide,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks for joining and for your email.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I
> > guess.
> > > >> We're almost ready to publish the final version of
> > FIM4L
> > > >> Principles & Recommendations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to
> > a common
> > > >> accepted document which describes how we
> > (libraries) want to
> > > >> establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you
> > can find
> > > >> this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this
> > list,
> > > >> probably by the end of this week, with a new
> > graphical update
> > > >> of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > When all things ready, the official published
> > document will
> > > >> be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may
> > be of
> > > great
> > > >> value for you to refer too by speaking with
> publishers.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > All the best!
> > > >> > Jos
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jos Westerbeke
> > > >> > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager | Erasmus
> > University
> > > >> Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library |
> 3062PA
> > > >> Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
> > > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>>
> > > >> <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
> > > <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>>>
> > | +31 640295513
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide
> Vaghetti
> > > >> <fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>>
> > > >> <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>>> namens
> > > >> davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>
> > > >> geschreven:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hello Heather,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
> > > >> > > Hello and welcome, Davide!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question
> > about what
> > > >> Clarivate is doing,
> > > >> > > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of
> > other
> > > >> similar patterns, or
> > > >> > > if this is just an FYI?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that
> > Clarivate's
> > > >> behavior is the
> > > >> > exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations,
> > so I'd
> > > like
> > > >> the advice of
> > > >> > this community in how to deal with this
> > Publisher and
> > > >> possibly doing it
> > > >> > not alone.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's
> additional
> > > >> registration flow is
> > > >> > breaking federated access and probably some
> > contracts
> > > >> and privacy law as
> > > >> > well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the
> > legalities at
> > > >> least until it
> > > >> > strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM,
> > as other
> > > >> identity
> > > >> > federations, are not direct parties in this
> > type of
> > > >> contracts.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cheers,
> > > >> > Davide
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to
> Human
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> > > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide
> Vaghetti
> > > >> > > <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:
> davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> > > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>, wrote:
> > > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing
> > list about
> > > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > > >> > >> additional registration flow, but some
> > Colleagues
> > > >> suggested that FIM4L
> > > >> > >> would have been a better venue for the
> topic.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Regards,
> > > >> > >> Davide
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > >> > >> Subject: InCites now requires users to
> > supply email
> > > >> address and create a
> > > >> > >> new set of credentials
> > > >> > >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
> > > >> > >> From: Davide Vaghetti
> > <davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:
> davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> > > >> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> > > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>
> > > >> > >> To: fog at lists.refeds.org
> > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>
> > > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>>
> > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>
> > > <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Hello everyone,
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us
> > about
> > > >> Clarivate's InCites
> > > >> > >> requiring an additional users registration
> > after the
> > > >> Institutional
> > > >> > >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
> > > >> introduced in sciencedirect,
> > > >> > >> but then rolled back, last year:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> - it starts on
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincites.clarivate.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjos.westerbeke%40eur.nl%7Cec8e9e7e9a91475f9de008d86c619b2b%7C715902d6f63e4b8d929b4bb170bad492%7C0%7C0%7C637378514315287569&sdata=9hMtWuW25Dw6Yjjs3F3oGq48q6rJvx%2FDpsbx63FYPrg%3D&reserved=0
> > > >> > >> - a user select "Sign in" and then
> > "Institutional
> > > >> (Shibboleth) Sign In"
> > > >> > >> - once the authN flow is finished, the
> user is
> > > >> requested to register an
> > > >> > >> email address and then to set a password
> > to access
> > > >> InCites
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has
> > not been
> > > >> anticipated in any
> > > >> > >> way from Clarivate, which so far was
> letting
> > > users in
> > > >> with just a
> > > >> > >> transient nameid and ePSA.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Regards,
> > > >> > >> Davide
> > > >> > >> --
> > > >> > >> Davide Vaghetti
> > > >> > >> Consortium GARR
> > > >> > >> Tel: +390502213158
> > > >> > >> Mobile: +393357779542
> > > >> > >> Skype: daserzw
> > > >> > >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > >> FIM4L mailing list
> > > >> > >> FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Davide Vaghetti
> > > >> > Consortium GARR
> > > >> > Tel: +390502213158
> > > >> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > > >> > Skype: daserzw
> > > >> >
> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > FIM4L mailing list
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> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > FIM4L mailing list
> > > >> > FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> > > >> > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Peter Gietz, CEO
> > > >>
> > > >> DAASI International GmbH
> > > >> Europaplatz 3
> > > >> D-72072 Tübingen
> > > >> Germany
> > > >>
> > > >> phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > > >> fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > > >> email: peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
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> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> > > >> http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > > >>
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Peter Gietz, CEO
> > > >
> > > > DAASI International GmbH
> > > > Europaplatz 3
> > > > D-72072 Tübingen
> > > > Germany
> > > >
> > > > phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> > > > fax: +49 7071 407109-9
> > > > email: peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> > > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
> > > > web: www.daasi.de <http://www.daasi.de>
> > <http://www.daasi.de> <http://www.daasi.de>
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> > > > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Davide Vaghetti
> > > Consortium GARR
> > > Tel: +390502213158
> > > Mobile: +393357779542
> > > Skype: daserzw
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Davide Vaghetti
> > Consortium GARR
> > Tel: +390502213158
> > Mobile: +393357779542
> > Skype: daserzw
> >
>
> --
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Tel: +390502213158
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
>
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