[Fim4l] Fwd: InCites now requires users to supply email address and create a new set of credentials

Jiri Pavlik jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
Tue Nov 10 12:11:29 CET 2020


Hi Jos,

the first bullet is about identity, the second bullet about identifier.

Thanks for checking, cheers

                       Jiri


On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:36 AM Jos Westerbeke <jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
wrote:

> Hi Jiri, Davide,
>
> I have the suggestion to change "institutional identity" to "institutional
> pseudonymous identifier as described in principle 4.B [1]"
>
> See comment in document.
>
> Best,
> Jos
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FIM4L <fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de> on behalf of Jiri Pavlik <
> jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>
> *Sent:* 09 November 2020 12:42
> *To:* Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> *Cc:* fim4l at lists.daasi.de <fim4l at lists.daasi.de>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fim4l] Fwd: InCites now requires users to supply email
> address and create a new set of credentials
>
> Hi Davide,
>
> perfect for me :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>              Jiri
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> wrote:
>
> On 09/11/20 12:07, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> > Hi Davide,
> >
> > great, I slightly edited the text to change the original GARR
> > perspective to FIM4L one.
>
> Thanks!
>
> >
> > I'd suggest to address the letter to following Clarivate representatives:
> > josef.jilek at clarivate.com <mailto:josef.jilek at clarivate.com>
> > eniko.szasz at clarivate.com <mailto:eniko.szasz at clarivate.com>
> > heidi.muller at clarivate.com <mailto:heidi.muller at clarivate.com>
>
> It works for me. I suggest to give some time for the people in the list
> to comment on the letter and then I'd sent it by noon Tomorrow if that's
> ok for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Davide
>
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >                Jiri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hello Jiri,
> >
> >     On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> >     > Hi Davide,
> >     >
> >     > I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive
> >     document [1]
> >     > and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a
> copy to
> >     > FIM4L
> >     > documents [2]. Sounds good?
> >     >
> >
> >     Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few
> weeks
> >     ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Davide
> >
> >     > Cheers
> >     >
> >     >             Jiri
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     1.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
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> >     > 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
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> >     >
> >     > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti
> >     <davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> >     > <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>
> >     wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Hello Jiri,
> >     >
> >     >     thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and
> >     I'll be
> >     >     happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
> >     >
> >     >     I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would
> >     be great
> >     >     if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the
> >     fim4l website,
> >     >     so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further
> >     communications
> >     >     with Clarivate.
> >     >
> >     >     What do you think?
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >     Davide
> >     >
> >     >     On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> >     >     > Dear all,
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations
> for
> >     >     Clarivate
> >     >     > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit
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> >     >     >
> >     >     > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few
> >     days
> >     >     with Cc
> >     >     > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Kind regards
> >     >     >
> >     >     >            Jiri
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz
> >     <peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> >     >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> >     >     > <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Hi Jiri,
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Thanks for the update.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Cheers,
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Peter
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
> >     >     >>     Hi Peter,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>     we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and
> Peter
> >     >     >>     Schober and
> >     >     >>     agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding
> bad
> >     >     >>     federated authentication
> >     >     >>     implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could
> >     suggest to
> >     >     >>     Clarivate:
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>
> >     >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgKno8/edit?usp=sharing
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> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>     All the best
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>                    Jiri
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>     On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
> >     >     <peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> >     >     >>     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>>
> >     >     wrote:
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Hi all,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         welcome here Davide, your presence here is much
> >     appreciated.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see
> a
> >     >     value in
> >     >     >>         collecting data ...
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         May be we should think about a page on our website
> >     with a
> >     >     list of
> >     >     >>         "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
> >     >     >>         recommendations". This
> >     >     >>         could be an insentive for publishers to not go the
> >     way we
> >     >     >>         observed here.
> >     >     >>         Just an idea....
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         What else could we do to convince publishers to be
> >     >     conformant?
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Cheers,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Peter
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
> >     >     >>         > Hello Davide,
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > Thanks for joining and for your email.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I
> >     guess.
> >     >     >>         We're almost ready to publish the final version of
> >     FIM4L
> >     >     >>         Principles & Recommendations.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to
> >     a common
> >     >     >>         accepted document which describes how we
> >     (libraries) want to
> >     >     >>         establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you
> >     can find
> >     >     >>         this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
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> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this
> >     list,
> >     >     >>         probably by the end of this week, with a new
> >     graphical update
> >     >     >>         of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > When all things ready, the official published
> >     document will
> >     >     >>         be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may
> >     be of
> >     >     great
> >     >     >>         value for you to refer too by speaking with
> publishers.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > All the best!
> >     >     >>         > Jos
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > Jos Westerbeke
> >     >     >>         > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager  | Erasmus
> >     University
> >     >     >>         Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library |
> 3062PA
> >     >     >>         Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> >     <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
> >     >     <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>>
> >     >     >>         <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl
> >     <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>
> >     >     <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke at eur.nl>>>
> >     | +31 640295513
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide
> Vaghetti
> >     >     >>         <fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>
> >     >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>>
> >     >     >>         <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>
> >     >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de
> >     <mailto:fim4l-bounces at lists.daasi.de>>> namens
> >     >     >>         davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> >     >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>
> >     >     >>         geschreven:
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     Hello Heather,
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
> >     >     >>         >     > Hello and welcome, Davide!
> >     >     >>         >     >
> >     >     >>         >     > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question
> >     about what
> >     >     >>         Clarivate is doing,
> >     >     >>         >     > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of
> >     other
> >     >     >>         similar patterns, or
> >     >     >>         >     > if this is just an FYI?
> >     >     >>         >     >
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that
> >     Clarivate's
> >     >     >>         behavior is the
> >     >     >>         >     exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations,
> >     so I'd
> >     >     like
> >     >     >>         the advice of
> >     >     >>         >     this community in how to deal with this
> >     Publisher and
> >     >     >>         possibly doing it
> >     >     >>         >     not alone.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's
> additional
> >     >     >>         registration flow is
> >     >     >>         >     breaking federated access and probably some
> >     contracts
> >     >     >>         and privacy law as
> >     >     >>         >     well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the
> >     legalities at
> >     >     >>         least until it
> >     >     >>         >     strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM,
> >     as other
> >     >     >>         identity
> >     >     >>         >     federations, are not direct parties in this
> >     type of
> >     >     >>         contracts.
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     Cheers,
> >     >     >>         >     Davide
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to
> Human
> >     >     >>         >     >
> >     >     >>
> >     >
> >
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> >     >     >>         >     > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide
> Vaghetti
> >     >     >>         >     > <davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> >     >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:
> davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> >     >     >>         <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> >     >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>, wrote:
> >     >     >>         >     >> Hello everyone,
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing
> >     list about
> >     >     >>         Clarivate's InCites
> >     >     >>         >     >> additional registration flow, but some
> >     Colleagues
> >     >     >>         suggested that FIM4L
> >     >     >>         >     >> would have been a better venue for the
> topic.
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> Regards,
> >     >     >>         >     >> Davide
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >     >     >>         >     >> Subject: InCites now requires users to
> >     supply email
> >     >     >>         address and create a
> >     >     >>         >     >> new set of credentials
> >     >     >>         >     >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
> >     >     >>         >     >> From: Davide Vaghetti
> >     <davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> >     >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it <mailto:
> davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>
> >     >     >>         <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>
> >     >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it
> >     <mailto:davide.vaghetti at garr.it>>>>
> >     >     >>         >     >> To: fog at lists.refeds.org
> >     <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>
> >     >     <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>>
> >     <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>
> >     >     <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog at lists.refeds.org>>>
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> Hello everyone,
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us
> >     about
> >     >     >>         Clarivate's InCites
> >     >     >>         >     >> requiring an additional users registration
> >     after the
> >     >     >>         Institutional
> >     >     >>         >     >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
> >     >     >>         introduced in sciencedirect,
> >     >     >>         >     >> but then rolled back, last year:
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> - it starts on
> >     >     >>
> >     >
> >
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> >     >     >>         >     >> - a user select "Sign in" and then
> >     "Institutional
> >     >     >>         (Shibboleth) Sign In"
> >     >     >>         >     >> - once the authN flow is finished, the
> user is
> >     >     >>         requested to register an
> >     >     >>         >     >> email address and then to set a password
> >     to access
> >     >     >>         InCites
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has
> >     not been
> >     >     >>         anticipated in any
> >     >     >>         >     >> way from Clarivate, which so far was
> letting
> >     >     users in
> >     >     >>         with just a
> >     >     >>         >     >> transient nameid and ePSA.
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>         >     >> Regards,
> >     >     >>         >     >> Davide
> >     >     >>         >     >> --
> >     >     >>         >     >> Davide Vaghetti
> >     >     >>         >     >> Consortium GARR
> >     >     >>         >     >> Tel: +390502213158
> >     >     >>         >     >> Mobile: +393357779542
> >     >     >>         >     >> Skype: daserzw
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     >     >>         >     >> FIM4L mailing list
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> >     >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
> >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> >     >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> >     >     >>         >     >>
> >     >     >>
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> >
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> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>         >     --
> >     >     >>         >     Davide Vaghetti
> >     >     >>         >     Consortium GARR
> >     >     >>         >     Tel: +390502213158
> >     >     >>         >     Mobile: +393357779542
> >     >     >>         >     Skype: daserzw
> >     >     >>         >
>  _______________________________________________
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> >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
> >     >     >>         >
> >     >     >>
> >     >
> >
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> >     >     >>         >
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> >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>>
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> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         --
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Peter Gietz, CEO
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         DAASI International GmbH
> >     >     >>         Europaplatz 3
> >     >     >>         D-72072 Tübingen
> >     >     >>         Germany
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         phone: +49 7071 407109-0
> >     >     >>         fax:   +49 7071 407109-9
> >     >     >>         email: peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
> >     >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
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> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> >     >     >>         Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
> >     >     >>         Geschäftsleitung: Peter Gietz
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>         _______________________________________________
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> >     >     >>
> >     >     >     --
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Peter Gietz, CEO
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     DAASI International GmbH
> >     >     >     Europaplatz 3
> >     >     >     D-72072 Tübingen
> >     >     >     Germany
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     phone: +49 7071 407109-0
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> >     >     >     email: peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de
> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>
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> >     <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz at daasi.de>>>
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> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Sitz der Gesellschaft: Tübingen
> >     >     >     Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 382175
> >     >     >     Geschäftsleitung: Peter Gietz
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > _______________________________________________
> >     >     > FIM4L mailing list
> >     >     > FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>
> >     <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L at lists.daasi.de>>
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> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     >     --
> >     >     Davide Vaghetti
> >     >     Consortium GARR
> >     >     Tel: +390502213158
> >     >     Mobile: +393357779542
> >     >     Skype: daserzw
> >     >
> >
> >     --
> >     Davide Vaghetti
> >     Consortium GARR
> >     Tel: +390502213158
> >     Mobile: +393357779542
> >     Skype: daserzw
> >
>
> --
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Tel: +390502213158
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
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