[Fim4l] LexisNexis Advance

Jiri Pavlik jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
Fri Mar 12 19:34:10 CET 2021


Hi Bernd,

when checking ProQuest Ebook Central SP metadata in DFN-AAI/eduGAIN [1], I
can see:
eduPersonScopedAffiliation (required)
eduPersonTargetedID (optional)

Is it correct that universities, libraries in Germany are free to choose
whether release
  eduPersonScopedAffiliation
or
  eduPersonScopedAffiliation
  eduPersonTargetedID
to ProQuest Ebook Central?


Have a nice weekend

          Jiri


1.
https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/https%253A%252F%252Fsp.ebrary.com%252Fshibboleth/?federation=edugain

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:50 PM Bernd Oberknapp <bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de>
wrote:

> Hi Jiri,
>
> I'm not sure if eduPersonEntitlement is still required for the DFN-AAI
> (in the past common-lib-terms was the default authorization rule for
> IdPs in the DFN-AAI), but eduPersonTargetedID (optional) is clearly
> missing.
>
> Best regards,
> Bernd
>
>
> On 12.03.21 08:58, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > we can check Elsevier Science Direct for inspiration as well.  Here
>  > eduPersonEntitlement is used for authorisation and eduPersonTargetedID
>  > is used for recognising returning users and for personalisation. So the
>  > right fit
>  > of requested attributes here could be:
>  > - eduPersonEntitlement (required)
>  > - eduPersonTargetedID (optional)
>  >
>  > If eduPersonTargetedID attribute is released according to user consent
>  > then the user
>  > is in charge whether he/she could use personalisation or prefers
>  > anonymous access.
>  >
>  > This set of requested attributes in Elsevier SD metadata [1] is
>  > registered in  Australian Access Federation and in IDEM.
>  >
>  > There is a vast variety of other requested attributes sets ranging from
>  > - eduPersonEntitlement (required)
>  > - eduPersonTargetedID (required)
>  > (eduID.at, RENATER, SWITCHaai, Edugate, LIAF)
>  > via
>  > - eduPersonEntitlement (required)
>  > (DFN-AAI)
>  > and
>  > - eduPersonEntitlement (optional)
>  > - eduPersonTargetedID (optional)
>  > (InCommon)
>  > to
>  > no required attributes at all.
>  > (eduGAIN/UK Federation, Belnet, CAFe, CARSI, CORFe, GakuNin)
>  >
>  > There are also federations where eduPersonScopedAffiliation is among
>  > required attributes and
>  > federations where there is eduPersonTargetedID attribute required only.
>  >
>  >
>  > Take care, stay healthy
>  >
>  >            Jiri
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > 1.
>  >
>
> https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/https%253A%252F%252Fsdauth.sciencedirect.com%252F/
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 8:22 PM Jiri Pavlik <jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  > <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Hi Bernd,
>  >
>  >     I see, thanks.
>  >
>  >     IMHO if eduPersonTargetedID is released, an institutional account is
>  >     used as a personal
>  >     user account at EBSCOhost as well. If eduPersonTargetedID is not
>  >     released users need to sign
>  >     in with a Google or local account and institutional sign in could be
>  >     used for authorisation [1].
>  >
>  >     That said the right fit for EBSCOhost could be:
>  >     - eduPersonScopedAffiliation (required)
>  >     - eduPersonEntitlement (required)
>  >     - eduPersonTargetedID (optional)
>  >
>  >     When an organisation chooses to release eduPersonTargetedID
>  >     attribute then users of the organization
>  >     can use an institutional account as a personal account at EBSCOhost
>  >     as well.
>  >
>  >     If eduPersonTargetedID attribute is released according to user
>  >     consent then the user
>  >     is in charge whether his/her institutional account is used as
>  >     personal account at EBSCOhost or it is not.
>  >
>  >     Best
>  >                      Jiri
>  >
>  >
>  >     1.
>  >
>
> https://connect.ebsco.com/s/article/How-do-I-authorize-reauthorize-my-personal-user-account?language=en_US
>  >
>  >     On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:31 PM Bernd Oberknapp
>  >     <bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de <mailto:bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de>> wrote:
>  >
>  >         Hi Jiri,
>  >
>  >         for EBSCOhost yes, it doesn't seem to make a difference
> whether I'm
>  >         logged in with a personal account or not, the number of ebooks
>  >         available
>  >         for download and also the limitations seem to be the same.
>  >
>  >         I couldn't try if this works with the EBSCO Mobile app because
>  >         the sign
>  >         in either fails or fails to connect to the app (for all methods,
>  >         not
>  >         just for Shibboleth).
>  >
>  >         Best regards,
>  >         Bernd
>  >
>  >
>  >         On 11.03.21 18:46, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
>  >           > Hi Bernd,
>  >           >
>  >           > Is downloading of e-books at EBSCO eBooks for off-line
>  >         reading working
>  >           > as well
>  >           > when eduPersonTargetedID is not provided?
>  >           >
>  >           > BR
>  >           >                    Jiri
>  >           >
>  >           >
>  >           > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 6:37 PM Bernd Oberknapp
>  >         <bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de <mailto:bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de>
>  >           > <mailto:bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de
>  >         <mailto:bo at ub.uni-freiburg.de>>> wrote:
>  >           >
>  >           >     Hello,
>  >           >
>  >           >     eduPersonTargetedID is not necessary for EBSCOhost, the
>  >         login works
>  >           >     fine
>  >           >     with just eduPersonScopedAffiliation or
>  >         eduPersonEntitlement.
>  >           >
>  >           >     We should not recommend to make eduPersonTargetedID a
>  >         requirement or
>  >           >     declare it as required if it isn't necessary.
>  >           >
>  >           >     Best regards,
>  >           >     Bernd
>  >           >
>  >           >
>  >           >     On 11.03.21 18:32, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
>  >           >       > Hi,
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > Let me point out to  EBSCOhost as a similar service.
>  >         Similar
>  >         set of
>  >           >       > requested attributes:
>  >           >       > - eduPersonScopedAffiliation (required)
>  >           >       > - eduPersonTargetedID (required)
>  >           >       > - eduPersonEntitlement (required)
>  >           >       > should be the right fit here because EBSCOhost is
>  >           >       > using eduPersonScopedAffiliation and
>  >           >       > eduPersonEntitlement values for authorisation,
>  >           >     eduPersonTargetedID for
>  >           >       > recognising returning user and providing
>  >         personalisation.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > Looking at EBSCOhost SP metadata I can see that in
>  >         Finland
>  >         [1] or in
>  >           >       > Australia [2] there is an interest in releasing
>  >         givenName,
>  >         sn, mail
>  >           >       > attributes.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > Listing eduPersonScopedAffiliation,
> eduPersonTargetedID,
>  >           >       > eduPersonEntitlement as optional in UK Federation /
>  >         eduGAIN
>  >         [3] or
>  >           >       > listing no requested attributes at all in US
> InCommon
>  >           >     Federations seems
>  >           >       > like a mistake to me.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > All the best
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >             Jiri
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > 1.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >
>  >
>
> https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/http%253A%252F%252Fshibboleth.ebscohost.com/?federation=haka
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > 2.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >
>  >
>
> https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/http%253A%252F%252Fshibboleth.ebscohost.com/?federation=australian-access-federation
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > 3.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >
>  >
>
> https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/http%253A%252F%252Fshibboleth.ebscohost.com/?federation=edugain
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > 4.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >
>  >
>
> https://met.refeds.org/met/entity/http%253A%252F%252Fshibboleth.ebscohost.com/?federation=incommon-federation
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jiri Pavlik
>  >           >     <jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>>
>  >           >       > <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz> <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>>>>
>  >           >     wrote:
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     Hi Peter,
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     The intent here is worldwide agreement within
>  >         FIM4L actually
>  >           >     what is
>  >           >       >     the best fit for LexisNexis Advance
>  >           >       >     and all similar SPs out there. IMHO your
>  >         suggestion is:
>  >           >       >     - eduPersonScopedAffiliation (required)
>  >           >       >     - eduPersonTargetedID (required)
>  >           >       >     - Sirtfy support
>  >           >       >     And rather SAML pairwise-id than
>  >         eduPersonTargetedID as
>  >           >     described in
>  >           >       >     FIM4L recommendations and
>  >           >       >     REFEDS Pseudonymous Authorisation entity
> category
>  >         specification.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     I am wondering whether there is an opportunity
>  >         of employing a
>  >           >       >     Consent-informed Attribute Release system
> (CAR) [1]
>  >           >       >     for releasing name and e-mail address with user
>  >         consent. I
>  >           >     can see
>  >           >       >     that French colleagues at least may be
> interested
>  >           >       >     in that.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     Best
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >                    Jiri
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     1.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >
>  >
>
> https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/CAR/CAR%3A+Consent-informed+Attribute+Release+system#:~:text=initially%20designed%20to%20be%20a,Consent%2Dinformed%20Attribute%20Release.%22
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >     On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:03 PM Peter Schober
>  >           >       >     <peter.schober at univie.ac.at
>  >         <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at>
>  >           >     <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at
>  >         <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at>>
>  >           >     <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at
>  >         <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at>
>  >           >     <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at
>  >         <mailto:peter.schober at univie.ac.at>>>>
>  >           >     wrote:
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >         * Jiri Pavlik <jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>
>  >           >     <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>>
>  >           >       >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>
>  >           >     <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz
>  >         <mailto:jiri.pavlik at techlib.cz>>>> [2021-03-11 09:05]:
>  >           >       >          > I am wondering whether everyone could be
>  >         fine with
>  >           >     following
>  >           >       >         set of
>  >           >       >          > attributes along with CoCo and Sirtfy
> entity
>  >         categories
>  >           >     support:
>  >           >       >          > eduPersonScopedAffiliation (required)
>  >           >       >          > eduPersonTargetedID (optional)
>  >           >       >          > givenName  (optional)
>  >           >       >          > sn   (optional)
>  >           >       >          > mail  (optional)
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >         Ignoring the fact that ultimately existing
>  >         bilateral (or
>  >           >     consortial)
>  >           >       >         contracts (here with LN) will always trump
>  >         what GÉANT
>  >           >     CoCo says,
>  >           >       >         note
>  >           >       >         that CoCo v1 (the only released version that
>  >         currently
>  >           >     exists)
>  >           >       >         explicitly only covers strictly *required*
>  >           >     (isRequired="true" in
>  >           >       >         SAML
>  >           >       >         Metadata) attributes. It cannot be used for
>  >         optional
>  >         data.
>  >           >       >            People should also be aware that there is
>  >         no clear
>  >           >     indication
>  >           >       >         that
>  >           >       >         LexisNexis even intended to adhere to the
>  >         GÉANT CoCo
>  >           >     specification:
>  >           >       >         All that I've seen so far is RENATER's claim
>  >         that the LN
>  >           >     SP is
>  >           >       >         covered
>  >           >       >         by CoCo. But CoCo also requires that the
>  >         Privacy Policy
>  >           >     for a
>  >           >       >         SAML SP
>  >           >       >         adhering to CoCo contains a reference to the
>  >         GÉANT
>  >         CoCo and
>  >           >     this is
>  >           >       >         NOT the case with LexisNexis here (not even
>  >         in the URL
>  >           >     referenced in
>  >           >       >         the RENATER metadata).
>  >           >       >            So the CoCo-support of the LexisNexis SP
>  >         is (1) highly
>  >           >       >         questionable,
>  >           >       >         IMO, and (2) very likely meaningless in
>  >         light of actual
>  >           >     contracts
>  >           >       >         governing use of / access to the service.
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >         As to the actual question above: If the
> service
>  >         continues to
>  >           >       >         work fine
>  >           >       >         with only the commonly released minimal set
>  >         of data
>  >           >       >         (common-lib-terms
>  >           >       >         or eduPersonScopedAffiliation for
>  >         authorisation; SAML
>  >           >     persistent
>  >           >       >         NameID or eduPersonTargetedID or SAML
>  >         pairwise-id for
>  >           >       >         personalisation
>  >           >       >         functionality) I see no reason to change
>  >         anything in
>  >           >     order to
>  >           >       >         encourge
>  >           >       >         institutions to send *more* personal data to
>  >         the
>  >         publisher.
>  >           >       >         (And even if we did, what makes LN so
>  >         special here?
>  >           >     Wouldn't
>  >           >     we also
>  >           >       >         have to have this discussion then for every
>  >         other of the
>  >           >     hundreds of
>  >           >       >         SPs we have for "institutionally licensed
>  >         e-resource
>  >           >     access"?)
>  >           >       >
>  >           >       >         Best regards,
>  >           >       >         -peter
>  >           >       >
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