Neuer Betreff: Fwd: InCites now requires users to supply email address and create a new set of credentials

9 Nov 2020

      Hi Davide,
perfect for me :-)
Cheers
Jiri
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM Davide Vaghetti davide.vaghetti@garr.it
wrote:
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On 09/11/20 12:07, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
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Hi Davide,
great, I slightly edited the text to change the original GARR
perspective to FIM4L one.
Thanks!
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I'd suggest to address the letter to following Clarivate representatives:
josef.jilek@clarivate.com mailto:josef.jilek@clarivate.com
eniko.szasz@clarivate.com mailto:eniko.szasz@clarivate.com
heidi.muller@clarivate.com mailto:heidi.muller@clarivate.com
It works for me. I suggest to give some time for the people in the list
to comment on the letter and then I'd sent it by noon Tomorrow if that's
ok for you.
Cheers,
Davide
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Cheers
           Jiri

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:31 AM Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it> wrote:
Hello Jiri,

On 09/11/20 10:16, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
> Hi Davide,
>
> I think we can prepare the cover letter at the Google Drive
document [1]
> and once the letter is sent to Clarivate representatives put a

copy to
...
> FIM4L
> documents [2]. Sounds good?
>

Sure! I've gave it a go with the text I've already prepared a few

weeks
...
ago. I think it does some refining, but it should work as a start.

Cheers,
Davide

> Cheers
>
>             Jiri
>
>
>
>
1.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgK...
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> 2. https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=269
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Davide Vaghetti
<davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>
wrote:
>
>     Hello Jiri,
>
>     thanks for this! I totally agree with the recommendations and
I'll be
>     happy to help writing a cover letter if needed.
>
>     I also have a side proposal/request on top of it. IMO it would
be great
>     if the letter sent to Clarivate could be published on the
fim4l website,
>     so I, as others, could openly refer to it for further
communications
>     with Clarivate.
>
>     What do you think?
>
>     Cheers,
>     Davide
>
>     On 09/11/20 09:38, Jiri Pavlik wrote:
>     > Dear all,
>     >
>     > I believe that everyone is happy about our recommendations

for
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>     Clarivate
>     > regarding federated authentication at InCites -
>     >
>     >
>

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgK...
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>     >
>     > I am going to reach out Clarivate representatives within few
days
>     with Cc
>     > to FIM4L list as we agreed on FIM4L WG call last week.
>     >
>     > Kind regards
>     >
>     >            Jiri
>     >
>     >
>     > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM Peter Gietz
<peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
>     <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
>     > <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Hi Jiri,
>     >
>     >     Thanks for the update.
>     >
>     >     Cheers,
>     >
>     >     Peter
>     >
>     >     Am 20.10.20 um 10:27 schrieb Jiri Pavlik:
>     >>     Hi Peter,
>     >>
>     >>     we discussed what we can do on a call with Davide and

Peter
...
>     >>     Schober and
>     >>     agreed that FIM4L should approach Clarivate regarding

bad
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>     >>     federated authentication
>     >>     implementation. There is a draft what FIM4L could
suggest to
>     >>     Clarivate:
>     >>
>     >>
>

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1ZhKdJXkBiOvhKcm1PDvcUaPVrbFlKJmKU1_WgK...
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>     >>
>     >>     All the best
>     >>
>     >>                    Jiri
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:08 PM Peter Gietz
>     <peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
>     >>     <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>>>
>     wrote:
>     >>
>     >>         Hi all,
>     >>
>     >>         welcome here Davide, your presence here is much
appreciated.
>     >>
>     >>         Yes it is obvious that more and more publishers see

a
...
>     value in
>     >>         collecting data ...
>     >>
>     >>         May be we should think about a page on our website
with a
>     list of
>     >>         "Publishers that are conformant with the FIM4L
>     >>         recommendations". This
>     >>         could be an insentive for publishers to not go the
way we
>     >>         observed here.
>     >>         Just an idea....
>     >>
>     >>         What else could we do to convince publishers to be
>     conformant?
>     >>
>     >>         Cheers,
>     >>
>     >>         Peter
>     >>
>     >>         Am 12.10.2020 um 09:22 schrieb Jos Westerbeke:
>     >>         > Hello Davide,
>     >>         >
>     >>         > Thanks for joining and for your email.
>     >>         >
>     >>         > Things are coming together at a perfect timing I
guess.
>     >>         We're almost ready to publish the final version of
FIM4L
>     >>         Principles & Recommendations.
>     >>         >
>     >>         > The idea is that libraries worldwide can refer to
a common
>     >>         accepted document which describes how we
(libraries) want to
>     >>         establish federated SSO connections with publishers.
>     >>         >
>     >>         > Since a few weeks we have a new website where you
can find
>     >>         this document: https://www.fim4l.org/?page_id=257
>     >>         >
>     >>         > But be patient: I'll send an announcement to this
list,
>     >>         probably by the end of this week, with a new
graphical update
>     >>         of the FIM4L Principles & Recommendations.
>     >>         >
>     >>         > When all things ready, the official published
document will
>     >>         be backed by Europe LIBER libraries (400+) and may
be of
>     great
>     >>         value for you to refer too by speaking with

publishers.
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>     >>         >
>     >>         > All the best!
>     >>         > Jos
>     >>         >
>     >>         > Jos Westerbeke
>     >>         > Library IT Specialist / Demandmanager  | Erasmus
University
>     >>         Rotterdam | Burgemeester Oudlaan 50, Library |

3062PA
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>     >>         Rotterdam | jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
<mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>
>     <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>>
>     >>         <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl
<mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>
>     <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl <mailto:jos.westerbeke@eur.nl>>>
| +31 640295513
>     >>         >
>     >>         >
>     >>         > Op 09-10-20 16:43 heeft FIM4L namens Davide

Vaghetti
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>     >>         <fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
<mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>
>     <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
<mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>>
>     >>         <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
<mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>
>     <mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de
<mailto:fim4l-bounces@lists.daasi.de>>> namens
>     >>         davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
>     <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it> <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>
>     >>         geschreven:
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     Hello Heather,
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     On 09/10/20 15:54, Heather Flanagan wrote:
>     >>         >     > Hello and welcome, Davide!
>     >>         >     >
>     >>         >     > I’m not sure if you’re asking a question
about what
>     >>         Clarivate is doing,
>     >>         >     > if you’re asking if anyone has knowledge of
other
>     >>         similar patterns, or
>     >>         >     > if this is just an FYI?
>     >>         >     >
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     Yes, good point. Well, the thing is that
Clarivate's
>     >>         behavior is the
>     >>         >     exact opposite of the FIM4L recommendations,
so I'd
>     like
>     >>         the advice of
>     >>         >     this community in how to deal with this
Publisher and
>     >>         possibly doing it
>     >>         >     not alone.
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     As Peter was pointing out, Clarivate's

additional
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>     >>         registration flow is
>     >>         >     breaking federated access and probably some
contracts
>     >>         and privacy law as
>     >>         >     well, but I'd prefer to restrain from the
legalities at
>     >>         least until it
>     >>         >     strictly necessary. Not to count that IDEM,
as other
>     >>         identity
>     >>         >     federations, are not direct parties in this
type of
>     >>         contracts.
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     Cheers,
>     >>         >     Davide
>     >>         >
>     >>         >     > Heather Flanagan — Translator of Geek to

Human
...
>     >>         >     >
>     >>
>

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsphericalc...
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>     >>         >     > On Oct 9, 2020, 2:45 AM -0700, Davide

Vaghetti
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>     >>         >     > <davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
>     <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:

davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
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>     >>         <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
>     <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>, wrote:
>     >>         >     >> Hello everyone,
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> I've sent this message to the FOG mailing
list about
>     >>         Clarivate's InCites
>     >>         >     >> additional registration flow, but some
Colleagues
>     >>         suggested that FIM4L
>     >>         >     >> would have been a better venue for the

topic.
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>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> Regards,
>     >>         >     >> Davide
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     >>         >     >> Subject: InCites now requires users to
supply email
>     >>         address and create a
>     >>         >     >> new set of credentials
>     >>         >     >> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:18:52 +0200
>     >>         >     >> From: Davide Vaghetti
<davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
>     <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it <mailto:

davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>
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>     >>         <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>
>     <mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it
<mailto:davide.vaghetti@garr.it>>>>
>     >>         >     >> To: fog@lists.refeds.org
<mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>
>     <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>>
<mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>
>     <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org <mailto:fog@lists.refeds.org>>>
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> Hello everyone,
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> some IdP admins and Librarians alerted us
about
>     >>         Clarivate's InCites
>     >>         >     >> requiring an additional users registration
after the
>     >>         Institutional
>     >>         >     >> login. The flow is similar to what Elsevier
>     >>         introduced in sciencedirect,
>     >>         >     >> but then rolled back, last year:
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> - it starts on
>     >>
>

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincites.cl...
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>     >>         >     >> - a user select "Sign in" and then
"Institutional
>     >>         (Shibboleth) Sign In"
>     >>         >     >> - once the authN flow is finished, the

user is
...
>     >>         requested to register an
>     >>         >     >> email address and then to set a password
to access
>     >>         InCites
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> As in the case of Elsevier, the above has
not been
>     >>         anticipated in any
>     >>         >     >> way from Clarivate, which so far was

letting
...
>     users in
>     >>         with just a
>     >>         >     >> transient nameid and ePSA.
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>         >     >> Regards,
>     >>         >     >> Davide
>     >>         >     >> --
>     >>         >     >> Davide Vaghetti
>     >>         >     >> Consortium GARR
>     >>         >     >> Tel: +390502213158
>     >>         >     >> Mobile: +393357779542
>     >>         >     >> Skype: daserzw
>     >>         >     >>
_______________________________________________
>     >>         >     >> FIM4L mailing list
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<mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
>     <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
<mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>
>     <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>>
>     >>         >     >>
>     >>
>

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>     >>         >
>     >>         >     --
>     >>         >     Davide Vaghetti
>     >>         >     Consortium GARR
>     >>         >     Tel: +390502213158
>     >>         >     Mobile: +393357779542
>     >>         >     Skype: daserzw
>     >>         >

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<mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de> <mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de
<mailto:FIM4L@lists.daasi.de>>
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>     >>         >
>     >>
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>     >>         >
>     >>         >
>     >>         > _______________________________________________
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>     >>         > http://lists.daasi.de/listinfo/fim4l
>     >>
>     >>         --
>     >>
>     >>         Peter Gietz, CEO
>     >>
>     >>         DAASI International GmbH
>     >>         Europaplatz 3
>     >>         D-72072 Tübingen
>     >>         Germany
>     >>
>     >>         phone: +49 7071 407109-0
>     >>         fax:   +49 7071 407109-9
>     >>         email: peter.gietz@daasi.de
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de> <mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de
<mailto:peter.gietz@daasi.de>>
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>     >
>     >     Peter Gietz, CEO
>     >
>     >     DAASI International GmbH
>     >     Europaplatz 3
>     >     D-72072 Tübingen
>     >     Germany
>     >
>     >     phone: +49 7071 407109-0
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>     >
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>     >
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>
>     --
>     Davide Vaghetti
>     Consortium GARR
>     Tel: +390502213158
>     Mobile: +393357779542
>     Skype: daserzw
>

--
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Consortium GARR
Tel: +390502213158
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw

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Consortium GARR
Tel: +390502213158
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw

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